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	<title>Comments on: Anti-Business, Freakish Divorce Laws Result from Too Many Lawyer-Legislators</title>
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	<description>The Competitive Enterprise Institute Blog</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Insane Massachusetts Child Support Guidelines&#160;&#124;&#160;OpenMarket.org</title>
		<link>http://www.openmarket.org/2008/01/02/anti-business-freakish-divorce-laws-result-from-too-many-lawyer-legislators/comment-page-1/#comment-104831</link>
		<dc:creator>Insane Massachusetts Child Support Guidelines&#160;&#124;&#160;OpenMarket.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] children. Everone knows that these guidelines are intended to milk fathers to benefit wives (and their divorce lawyers). Prominent divorce lawyers like Richard Crouch have noted that in practice, child-support and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] children. Everone knows that these guidelines are intended to milk fathers to benefit wives (and their divorce lawyers). Prominent divorce lawyers like Richard Crouch have noted that in practice, child-support and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kay</title>
		<link>http://www.openmarket.org/2008/01/02/anti-business-freakish-divorce-laws-result-from-too-many-lawyer-legislators/comment-page-1/#comment-78344</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What can be done when both parties agree to a divorce settlement and the Judge thinks the wife should get more? This Judge in Stafford County objected to the divorce settlement even though the wife insisted that it was a mutual decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can be done when both parties agree to a divorce settlement and the Judge thinks the wife should get more? This Judge in Stafford County objected to the divorce settlement even though the wife insisted that it was a mutual decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Arrogant New York Judges Order Themselves a Raise &#124; OpenMarket.org</title>
		<link>http://www.openmarket.org/2008/01/02/anti-business-freakish-divorce-laws-result-from-too-many-lawyer-legislators/comment-page-1/#comment-53164</link>
		<dc:creator>Arrogant New York Judges Order Themselves a Raise &#124; OpenMarket.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from the New York courts, which foster widespread &#8220;litigation abuse,&#8221; handle tort and family-law cases poorly, and score badly on tort liability indexes.  They deserve no pay raise.  The judge who issued [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from the New York courts, which foster widespread &#8220;litigation abuse,&#8221; handle tort and family-law cases poorly, and score badly on tort liability indexes.  They deserve no pay raise.  The judge who issued [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Divorce law in the Northeast</title>
		<link>http://www.openmarket.org/2008/01/02/anti-business-freakish-divorce-laws-result-from-too-many-lawyer-legislators/comment-page-1/#comment-49909</link>
		<dc:creator>Divorce law in the Northeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a state legislature, the more unfair a state’s divorce laws tend to be&#8221;. (OpenMarket.org., Jan. 2). Plus: our family law archives are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a state legislature, the more unfair a state’s divorce laws tend to be&#8221;. (OpenMarket.org., Jan. 2). Plus: our family law archives are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Court: Don&#8217;t Blame the Terrorists for Bombing the World Trade Center Attacks &#124; OpenMarket.org</title>
		<link>http://www.openmarket.org/2008/01/02/anti-business-freakish-divorce-laws-result-from-too-many-lawyer-legislators/comment-page-1/#comment-49096</link>
		<dc:creator>Court: Don&#8217;t Blame the Terrorists for Bombing the World Trade Center Attacks &#124; OpenMarket.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] highest court (the New York Court of Appeals).  That court, as I have noted before, is even worse, with several really rotten justices like Chief Judge Judith Kaye.   addthis_url = [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] highest court (the New York Court of Appeals).  That court, as I have noted before, is even worse, with several really rotten justices like Chief Judge Judith Kaye.   addthis_url = [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Court: Don&#8217;t Blame the Terrorists for Bombing the World Trade Center Attacks &#124; OpenMarket.org</title>
		<link>http://www.openmarket.org/2008/01/02/anti-business-freakish-divorce-laws-result-from-too-many-lawyer-legislators/comment-page-1/#comment-49097</link>
		<dc:creator>Court: Don&#8217;t Blame the Terrorists for Bombing the World Trade Center Attacks &#124; OpenMarket.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] highest court (the New York Court of Appeals).  That court, as I have noted before, is even worse, with several really rotten justices like Chief Judge Judith Kaye.   addthis_url = [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] highest court (the New York Court of Appeals).  That court, as I have noted before, is even worse, with several really rotten justices like Chief Judge Judith Kaye.   addthis_url = [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Arrogant Judge Sues To Increase Her Own Pay &#124; OpenMarket.org</title>
		<link>http://www.openmarket.org/2008/01/02/anti-business-freakish-divorce-laws-result-from-too-many-lawyer-legislators/comment-page-1/#comment-48209</link>
		<dc:creator>Arrogant Judge Sues To Increase Her Own Pay &#124; OpenMarket.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have written earlier about the bad, biased record of New York&#8217;s state courts, which, along with high state taxes, have done much to drive jobs out of New York State (and thus [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have written earlier about the bad, biased record of New York&#8217;s state courts, which, along with high state taxes, have done much to drive jobs out of New York State (and thus [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Left-Wing Pork in Bill for Homeowners &#124; OpenMarket.org</title>
		<link>http://www.openmarket.org/2008/01/02/anti-business-freakish-divorce-laws-result-from-too-many-lawyer-legislators/comment-page-1/#comment-47732</link>
		<dc:creator>Left-Wing Pork in Bill for Homeowners &#124; OpenMarket.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Marks belongs in jail, but given the politically-correct legal climate in Massachusetts, he&#8217;ll probably be able to get away with his thuggery for quite a while.  addthis_url = [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Marks belongs in jail, but given the politically-correct legal climate in Massachusetts, he&#8217;ll probably be able to get away with his thuggery for quite a while.  addthis_url = [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Company Flees Lawsuits, Regulation, Eliminating Jobs in New York City &#124; OpenMarket.org</title>
		<link>http://www.openmarket.org/2008/01/02/anti-business-freakish-divorce-laws-result-from-too-many-lawyer-legislators/comment-page-1/#comment-43934</link>
		<dc:creator>Company Flees Lawsuits, Regulation, Eliminating Jobs in New York City &#124; OpenMarket.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of law where Virginia judges seem to love using lawsuits to redistribute wealth is in the area of divorce and family law, but even in that area of law, Virginia has less of a redistributionist bent than New York State).  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of law where Virginia judges seem to love using lawsuits to redistribute wealth is in the area of divorce and family law, but even in that area of law, Virginia has less of a redistributionist bent than New York State).  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Non-Poor Below the &#8220;Poverty Line&#8221; &#124; OpenMarket.org</title>
		<link>http://www.openmarket.org/2008/01/02/anti-business-freakish-divorce-laws-result-from-too-many-lawyer-legislators/comment-page-1/#comment-41794</link>
		<dc:creator>The Non-Poor Below the &#8220;Poverty Line&#8221; &#124; OpenMarket.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] earned in after-tax income (based on the practice of &#8220;imputed income,&#8221; which is where a family-court judge sets support obligations based on what he thinks the father should earn, rather than what he actually earns). They weren&#8217;t deemed to be below the poverty line, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] earned in after-tax income (based on the practice of &#8220;imputed income,&#8221; which is where a family-court judge sets support obligations based on what he thinks the father should earn, rather than what he actually earns). They weren&#8217;t deemed to be below the poverty line, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Bader</title>
		<link>http://www.openmarket.org/2008/01/02/anti-business-freakish-divorce-laws-result-from-too-many-lawyer-legislators/comment-page-1/#comment-41160</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Bader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawyers' dominance in the Massachusetts legislature may also explain one of the most bizarre practices of Massachusetts divorce courts: ordering an ex-husband to pay his ex-wife's attorneys fees, not just when her attorneys win a legal dispute with him, but also when he wins a legal dispute with them, and their claims were erroneous under governing law.

The winner pays the loser's attorneys' fees!

Massachusetts law allows a spouse who lost a costly and meritless series of motions to collect attorneys fees from the winning spouse, simply because the winning spouse was richer at the time of the divorce.

In divorce and family law cases, this "winner pays" rule sometimes applies not only at the expense of the winning spouses, but also at the expense of innocent third parties who prevail on legal motions, (like the innocent spouse's employer), yet are ordered to pay the fees of the very divorce lawyers they were forced to fight in court.

In California and Massachusetts, the spouse who had more income or assets before the divorce is commonly ordered to pay the attorneys fees of the other spouse even when the "richer" spouse prevails on the relevant motions and legal issues, and the divorce leaves the nominally "richer" spouse under crushing support payments.

That's true even when the divorce so ruins the once wealthier spouse (through alimony and child-support payments) that the spouse whose attorney receives the fees really is really more prosperous afterwards. (As noted above, in Massachusetts, child support alone equals 25 percent of gross income -- and more than a third of net income -- for just one child).

Non-parties (such as a spouse's employer) subjected to intrusive demands for documents by an ex-wife's attorneys may be ordered to pay those attorneys' fees even when they prevail in quashing the subpoena for those documents. (The California Third District Court of Appeal ordered just that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawyers&#8217; dominance in the Massachusetts legislature may also explain one of the most bizarre practices of Massachusetts divorce courts: ordering an ex-husband to pay his ex-wife&#8217;s attorneys fees, not just when her attorneys win a legal dispute with him, but also when he wins a legal dispute with them, and their claims were erroneous under governing law.</p>
<p>The winner pays the loser&#8217;s attorneys&#8217; fees!</p>
<p>Massachusetts law allows a spouse who lost a costly and meritless series of motions to collect attorneys fees from the winning spouse, simply because the winning spouse was richer at the time of the divorce.</p>
<p>In divorce and family law cases, this &#8220;winner pays&#8221; rule sometimes applies not only at the expense of the winning spouses, but also at the expense of innocent third parties who prevail on legal motions, (like the innocent spouse&#8217;s employer), yet are ordered to pay the fees of the very divorce lawyers they were forced to fight in court.</p>
<p>In California and Massachusetts, the spouse who had more income or assets before the divorce is commonly ordered to pay the attorneys fees of the other spouse even when the &#8220;richer&#8221; spouse prevails on the relevant motions and legal issues, and the divorce leaves the nominally &#8220;richer&#8221; spouse under crushing support payments.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true even when the divorce so ruins the once wealthier spouse (through alimony and child-support payments) that the spouse whose attorney receives the fees really is really more prosperous afterwards. (As noted above, in Massachusetts, child support alone equals 25 percent of gross income &#8212; and more than a third of net income &#8212; for just one child).</p>
<p>Non-parties (such as a spouse&#8217;s employer) subjected to intrusive demands for documents by an ex-wife&#8217;s attorneys may be ordered to pay those attorneys&#8217; fees even when they prevail in quashing the subpoena for those documents. (The California Third District Court of Appeal ordered just that).</p>
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