Occupy Wall Street Protesters Make Demands

by Ryan Young on October 5, 2011 · 107 comments

in Economy, Features, Sanctimony, Zeitgeist

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Until recently, I haven’t been paying much mind to the Occupy Wall Street protests. They’re a lot like Tea Party protesters. They’re upset with the status quo, and are being quite vocal about it. But — also like the Tea Partiers — they lack a unified voice. What do they want?

That incoherence was partially solved when one activist posted a list of thirteen demands on OccupyWallSt.com. It doesn’t stand for the whole movement, obviously. Some protesters are focused on different issues than the ones he chose. But it’s reasonable to assume that most of the protesters would agree with most of his demands.

From an economist’s perspective, the demands are both fascinating and disheartening. Fascinating because people who haven’t studied economics believe some really strange things; disheartening because many of the policies would hurt the very people they’re meant to help. Intentions are not results.

Let’s take a quick look at each of the demands. I have left his grammatical errors intact:

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

He’s being far too moderate here. Take as true that importing goods across international borders kills jobs. Well, as a matter of logic, importing goods across state borders is no different. Oregonians should be forbidden from importing goods from Californians. Inter-city free trade has the same harmful effects. Consistency demands banning that, too. Even inter-household trade kills jobs under this line of thought.

If the protesters arbitrarily draw the line at the national level, then there is an inconsistency in their thought. And economists from the left and the right have been openly poking fun at that inconsistency for over 200 years.

And why only a $20 minimum wage? Think big. If Congress can raise living standards simply by mandating higher wages, why not $200 per hour? Why not $2,000 per hour?

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Because monopolies work so well.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

This isn’t worded clearly. Does this mean a $20 minimum wage for all workers, as in Demand One? Or does it mean giving unemployment benefits equivalent to a living wage, however defined? If it’s the second case, it’s pretty easy to see that fewer people would choose to work if this demand was met. As any economist will tell you, incentives matter.

Demand four: Free college education.

This should be re-worded as “Demand Four: The poor and uneducated must give money to the rich and educated.” This just sounds like the protesters, many of them students, don’t want to pay their tuition and their student loans (see also Demand Eleven).

This demand is fundamentally regressive. Wealth redistribution from rich to poor is one thing. But asking the poor to subsidize the rich strikes this writer as morally wrong.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

This day will come. I look forward to it. Progress is a beautiful thing to behold. But these kinds of transitions can only happen from the bottom up. He is demanding that it be top-down, which is the same thing as demanding that it never happen at all. Top-down is how Solyndra happened. Top-down is how ethanol happened.

Top-down is also an open invitation to the exact kind of cronyism that the Occupy Wall Street crowd – and this writer – despise. Again, think results, not intentions. The best way to achieve this policy goal is to make entrepreneurship and innovation easier. It’s a bottom-up world. Policies must acknowledge that if they are to succeed.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

He must be unfamiliar with the data. Government infrastructure spending is about 2.5 percent of GDP right now. That’s the highest it’s been since the 1950s, when the interstate highway system was being built. And today’s 2.5 percent is sliced from a pie that’s nearly 7 times larger in real terms. That puts current spending on par with about 17 percent of 1950 GDP. That is hardly austere.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants.

More unfamiliarity with the data. The EPA’s budget is currently a little over $10 billion. He demands a century’s worth of EPA spending over what one assumes is a period of years, not decades. That’s a lot of money that we don’t have.

Meanwhile, forest acreage today is roughly what it was a hundred years ago, despite U.S. population growing four-fold. And getting rid of dams and nuclear power plants means using more coal and natural gas. That’s what economists call a tradeoff. And that tradeoff directly contradicts Demand Five.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Just such an Amendment passed on July 9, 1868. The Fourteenth Amendment reads, in part, “nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” Emphasis added, though the egalitarian language is clear enough on its own. Perhaps he should press for more consistent enforcement of that language. That certainly has been lacking.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Yes. I don’t have a problem with background checks to keep out recidivist criminals or terrorists who, while rare, would hurt other people. And screening people for communicable diseases is a reasonable public health measure. But, like the Occupy Wall Street crowd, I don’t think anyone should presume the moral authority to tell other people where they may live, work, or travel. Right on.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Mandatory recounts are a bit much; most Congressional elections are 60-40 or 70-30 affairs. But there’s not much to object to here. Though there will come a time when computerized voting machines will be harder to corrupt than paper ballots. He should instead demand honest vote counts, whatever the medium.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Do this and no one will ever lend again. This demand has so little understanding of basic human nature, let alone basic economics, that it frankly doesn’t deserve serious scrutiny. It just sounds like he wants all the trappings of a modern first-world lifestyle without paying for them. As the economist Deirdre McCloskey would say: no, dear.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Moody’s and the other ratings agencies played a starring role in inflating the housing bubble. Oh, they deserve plenty of blame. But the solution isn’t to outlaw them. It’s to outlaw Congress from giving them special treatment. Congressional coddling allowed them to lie to their customers and not get punished by market mechanisms. Their legally protected oligopoly is an outsized example of crony capitalism. Don’t confuse it with the real thing.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

Government policy should be neutral towards labor unions. Not hostile, not favorable. Neutral. Part of that neutrality means ensuring secret ballot elections when workers are deciding whether to unionize. If the ballots are open, it’s pretty easy to imagine both management and unions putting pressure on workers to sign with their side. Better to preserve anonymity. Let workers express their true feelings without fear of reprisal from either side.

This demand’s wording is unclear on neutrality, and unclear on secret ballots. Hard to tell what to make of it.

So there you have it.

Like almost any list of demands, there is good and bad here. Two common themes animate the list. One is that the writer clearly hasn’t studied economics. Free trade promotes wealth and peace, and has almost zero net effect on employment in the long-run. High minimum wages price the lowest-skilled employees out of work, and hurt them. There is no free lunch. Nobody will lend money if they aren’t going to be paid back.

None of those statements are controversial inside the profession, only out of it. Regardless of one’s political leanings.

The second theme is entitlement. Other people should pay for my health care. Other people should pay for my college education. I shouldn’t have to pay back my credit card balance. In short, gimme. How millennial.

The tea party movement’s uninformed populism is embarrassing to many on the right. No wonder Brendan O’Neill, seeing the same phenomenon on the left, wrote in The Telegraph that “The teenage moralism of the Occupy Wall Street hipsters almost makes me ashamed to be Left-wing.”

I agree with some of their demands, but it’s hard to see the Occupy Wall Street crowd being taken seriously. For that, they must first be able to be taken seriously. Given the movement’s lack of policy knowledge, its unseemly thirst for other people’s money, and the fact that some of them actually think that standing in the middle of a bridge invalidates their opponents’ arguments (!), they have a ways to go.

Nickie Crackel October 10, 2011 at 4:50 pm

Wow, sounds like communism to me!

Mike October 12, 2011 at 4:31 pm

Although I do not agree with all assessments, I think the overall analysis is fair. I would urge caution on calling Tea Partiers “uninformed” and “populist”, as many of we are borderline libertarian and students of Bastiat, Hayek, and of course OpenMarket.org :-)

SoundEndurance October 13, 2011 at 9:29 am

This is The Talking Point…A Living Wage.

Coupled with an underemployment tax, a living wage is justice for all. However, I would not put a dollar amount on it, instead, establish a framework that moved with the cost of living. Though his dollar amount is near correct given the current costs it would also need to target the given area. But again, it’s the framework were after, not a dollar amount.

http://soundendurance.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/living-wage/

RPolk October 13, 2011 at 10:45 am

I realize Mr. Young isn’t paid for journalistic integrity but he could have actually looked at the reasons and motivations behind many of the demands. I don’t think its too hard to discern: the person who posted the demands is fearful, and I believe rightly so, of a national and world economic system in which power is becoming increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few and demands little in the way of responsibility for how that power is wielded. The system of capitalism isn’t in and of itself bad, it just has no way to value the individual with regards to the individuals rights, it can only value the individual as an economic entity. If you have little or no net worth, you have little or no rights. You could have addressed this issue but Mr Young chose instead to descend into a smarmy self superior list of put downs. Grow up an act like you have at least some shred of journalistic integrity.

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LeeMcD October 13, 2011 at 11:49 am

Predatory, rigged, derivative capitalism is not capitalism. To oppose cheating and lobbied interests doesnt make one a communist. Communism is an abject failure in the world; it supports worse cheating and abuse than we are seeing now with rigged capitalism. We want capitalism–but for real.

parker October 13, 2011 at 11:52 am

This is a bad description of the demands, and I would say ows protesters would disagree with most of these. Nobody asking for a hand out, we just want and a chance at the american dream like those before us. Protect the american job market with tariffs if we need to americans should be #1 to our government and all of these “job creators” on wall st should start giving back to the system that made them so rich…. how bout some raises and new opportunity for the masses we want a piece of the pie too. Majority>minority

Mike October 13, 2011 at 12:08 pm

Like so many Americans, the Occupy Wall Street crowd has a desperate feeling they are being hustled, but they just can’t quite figure out exactly how the scam works.
When the public sees the same people winning the lottery repeatedly, and then the rules get relaxed, so they can win some more, they get suspicious, and, perhaps. a little pissed.

Accepting that such injustice can occur, to them, in America, can be a bitter pill. But when government and corporate interests have merged to the point they have today, with the lobbyists writing the legislation and representatives support their financial benefactors with votes. the public is indeed getting scammed.

The last 3 “crisis’” that led to bailouts, in 2008, 1989 and 1982 were nothing more than bad business decisions by big banks. The scam and scandal is that after each of these so called crisis banking regulations were loosened, and our representatives in Congress allowed mergers that created a cartel of 3 banks which now control 80% the business, and are so big, that their bad business decisions become our problem.

Add to this the fact that these corporations never die, can’t go to jail, are completely amoral, and have unlimited financial resources along with the Supreme Court’s backing to dominate any and every election in the future with their “free $peech”, most American’s know instinctively that the jig is up.

Adam Sandy October 13, 2011 at 12:10 pm

I throw my support behind this ragtag group of idiotic hipsters. Though it seems, especially after reading this list of ludicrous demands, that they have no semblance of of order within their ranks, they are taking action. The only demand on this list I could really get behind is number 1, scratch the $20 minimum wage, of course (think this particular hipster definitely smoked a fatty before coming up with this list. “and…yea mannnn, $20 minimum wage, free college, and, and, wipe all the debt clean on the entire planet immediately..” \sigh, this is my generation and I am embarrassed). My point is, though, Right-wing, left wing, it doesn’t matter, we have all experienced unnecessary hardships, whether large or small, due to the negligent and corrupt practices of upper level bankers, stock brokers and their government insiders. I am no conspiracy theorist. And I will not play the victim card. But have we forgotten who is largely responsible for the so-called Great Recession? If it takes a group of greasy-ass, naive, jack-legs to bring attention to this fact, well, then so be it. @Ryan Young, I take issue with you comparison regarding Demand 1. Oregon and California engage in fair trade competition, for the most part, with the exception of small differences in tax structures and business regulations, correct? The U.S. and China, on the other hand, I mean you can’t make the comparison that economic competition between the U.S. and China is to economic competition between Oregon and California. It just doesn’t, in any sense, measure up. Every time we outsource American factories to China we reinforce communism and, essentially, what we would have called indentured slavery back in the 1800′s. We seriously need to reconsider what it is we are supporting and legitimizing when we support companies that manufacture goods in china. #communism #indenturedslavery

Frank Jenkins October 16, 2011 at 5:20 am

The only thing apparent to me is the author of this article hasn’t spent very much (if any) time inside an economics course. There are plenty of economists who believe we should raise the minimum wage, there’s no data suggesting raising the minimum wage has ever destroyed jobs (we’ve raised the minimum wage several times in the United States, nations like Australia have a minimum wage of 16 or 17$ per hour, with no negative impact on employment, etc.). This article is a political position statement masquerading as an article by someone who claims to be disseminating economic information. In other words, some economists may agree with the statements in this article, and coincidently they mostly share the authors basic political leanings. I can cite numerous economists who would agree with most of the demands made by the protesters, and coincidently, they all share my political perspective (go figure). It’s like saying 99 out of 100 popes agree that Mary was a virgin (duh).

Frank Jenkins October 16, 2011 at 5:29 am

There’s plenty of economists who believe we should raise the minimum wage, so I’m not sure where the author of this article is getting his data from. Each time we’ve raised the minimum wage these same old and tired arguments were ponied by conservatives, and their doomsday never came. Contrary to the authors assertions, most economists tend to agree that higher average wages both increases economic activity and quality of life.

Frank Jenkins October 16, 2011 at 5:31 am

Raising the minimum wage does not reduce employment.

Frank Jenkins October 16, 2011 at 5:34 am

Raising the minimum wage enhances employment.

Frank Jenkins October 16, 2011 at 5:34 am

Raising the minimum wage enhances quality of life.

Dolph Lungren October 16, 2011 at 9:31 pm

I am part of the 53 percent of America that actually pays taxes. I’ve had to work for every single thing I have, nobody gave me anything. If you want a better life, get out of your hippie tents, stop using your welfare money on drugs and alcohol, and start looking for a job. You people who think you’re entitled to a happy life by doing absolutely nothing make me sick. You need to earn it. Get off of your asses and stop being mad at the people who actually have made something of their lives. If you truly want to live in a place where they share your socialistic view on equality, go to Europe and wait in a bread line with the rest of the starving people who feel as if they deserve something just because they’re alive.

lindsay October 17, 2011 at 1:48 am

I just want to put this out there. I am a student with over $50,000 in student loan debt. I am back in school for another degree that I will hopefully get a job with this time. I am NOT one of the “99%”. I don’t think anyone should pay off the debt that I decided to acquire. I don’t think anyone should pay for my health care. I don’t use credit cards because I don’t need anything that I can’t afford outright that badly. I share a bedroom so I can pay rent and work two jobs, both that are minimum wage $8/hr, but it pays the bills and I’m not like scrambling for money. I don’t get to go out much but there’s plenty of things me and my friends can do for free. We stay home and have game nights instead of going out drinking, and cook in instead of eating out. There are planned parenthoods and free clinics, and you can’t be turned away at the emergency room. It just makes me sad that this is what my generation really believes as reality! Why would anyone want to go to college and get a good job if they can flip burgers for $20 an hour? 99 percent, you need a reality check if you really believe this crap. Yeah, it would be nice to instantly not have debt, but the economy would come crumbling down worse than it already is. There would be no jobs if employers had to pay $20/hr. What these people seem to want is socialism and communism, and that’s just not the way it works in America. They obviously did get ripped off on their college educations because their brains are obviously not working correctly.

Jessica Giles October 17, 2011 at 10:17 pm

Thank you so much for this article.

Ron October 18, 2011 at 10:08 am

Who wrote these demands…Sounds like someone who wants to live on easy street.

mom of 4 October 18, 2011 at 11:26 am

“wealth without work is a recipe for depression” – Ghandi
Where are your mothers? such entitlement. when my kids ask for allowance before doing their chores, i say “sorry charlie, nice try!” When they ask for a large present and it’s not Christmas or their birthday, they have to earn the money. (They take care of the items they have had a personal investment in.)

Clarify your argument, like I say to my kids, I don’t speak “whinese”.

Kevin Ortega October 18, 2011 at 4:23 pm

We all did this to ourselves. Let’s stop blaming corporations. Greed begot greed. WE overleveraged ourselves and overspent ourselves into debt. We took out too much money for student loans. We should admit that NOT ALL that money was for tuition and books. “Corporations” simply capitalized on our greed to buy more things and pay little now or pay later. The whole idea of a 30 year mortgage is to buy something at a “smaller” monthly payment as opposed to buying or renting what we could REALLY afford. They let us write off the interest as a consolation. We paid into our retirement with the idea that ONE great day we will not have to work and we will receive seemingly infinite returns on money (we become the lender at the mercy of fund managers or a pension). We are all in love with unrealistic standards of living supported by capitalizing on minimal payments for extreme purchases. The only solution is admitting to our love of communism (bailouts, healthcare and guaranteed wages) and then working to avoid any type of agreement beyond a couple of years. Those agreements are simply theft as they juice so much interest from us and sell our future short. Finally, we have worshipped a 3 digit score to one day borrow more. That is crazy.

navigator October 26, 2011 at 10:05 am

I lived in socialist country; it was the worst social experience in my live. Absolutely hate to see America turn into socialism.
It doesn’t work to solve economic problems. It doesn’t work. Period.
All debt problems personal and corporate could be solved simply through official bankruptcy process. All assets could be revalued through free markets and they will create new jobs after revaluation is done, better than any government program could.
But I support more prorate tax system, that is fair for society.
The rest of the ideas of “Occupy Wall Street” movement, in my opinion, are socialistic heresy… ;)

Duane October 30, 2011 at 7:40 pm

The sect that disagrees with The General Assembly and would like to ignore the reality of the situation, and will focus on the liabilities of individuals to discredit the message being delivered. As the message is obscure, a general loud voice yelling of extreme change is not applicable. Although I agree with many of the points as I support the awareness and movement, balance is a requirement in the requested change. Unreasonable fringe exists on both sides and it is important that this is eliminated, if any real progress is to be made. Instead of evaluating each point to debate these unreasonable perspectives, I will summarize the perspectives.

As individuals we are responsible for any of our frivolous spending, living beyond our means, or the expectation of entitlement without action.

It is grossly inaccurate to only note the element looking to hold the government or corporations responsible for their own inabilities or lack of productive life action, and put it in a package to deliver for media distribution as “the demands” of The General Assembly. In other words not all of the people speaking, speak for us.

Unfortunately the writer Ryan Young, did not research the fact that none of the demands listed in his post were part of any official demands made.

The bottom line is that each side represents many different groups of people, at different levels, with different experiences and thus different needs. It can not be argued that the current system no longer works in terms of provision by a nation for it’s people. The real issues are separation of corporation and state; the end of predatory economic practices against the people and treasury, and financial equality in terms of taxes. The official demands listed by Todd are accurate and would have a huge impact on a corrective to lead to a productive and more balanced economy.

However I feel the demands do stop short of a complete solution that as a nation we will desperately need. The points listed in the original post by Ryan do require some attention. I would like to see the following addressed in the immediate future; health care, education, new industry of green technology, social services audit /limitations/corrections, government spending audit, illegal immigration, unemployment, frequency of voting, consumer rights and protections, add infinitum as there are many areas that appropriately require attention. However, these are my own points and the demands of The General Assembly are a great start.

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